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May 4, 2017

Trombonist, composer and educator Ryan Keberle has been active on the New York scene for nearly 20 years - which is really saying something considering he’s still a young man by many standards. He’s worked extensively with both the Maria Schneider orchestra and indie singer songwriter Sufjan Stevens, each of whom have influenced his own music enormously. Along the way, he’s worked as a sideman with the likes of Wynton Marsalis, Beyonce, Justin Timberlake, and Alicia Keys, Ivan Lins and played in the house band on Saturday Night Live.

Ryan’s project, a pianoless ensemble called Catharsis, started in 2004. The group has a new record coming out later this spring called “Find the Common, Shine a Light” which Ryan refers to as a “Response to Growing Political and Social Turmoil, An Urgent Call for Change”.

Here we talk about the legacy of trombone players and arrangers and how the instrument is undergoing a revolution today, what being a side man taught him about listening, and why all improvised music is a form of protest.